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CD Project Suggestion

#1 User is offline   tonyoci Icon

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 01:10 PM

Just a thought here.

The last CD done by another site I frequent was done through cafepress.com

This allows you to upload the music, and artwork etc. then they produce, sell and ship the CD's for you. There is no minimum qty rules so no one will get stuck with unsold CD's.

The CD's themselves are excellent, "pro-quality".

the downside I guess is that it's a touch more expensive but given the audience it should not be a problem.

This is the CD I was on and it's done very nicely.

http://www.cafepress.com/zoom3/

You can also do t-shirts, hats and other stuff.

Probably not a new idea but I hadn't seen it mentioned.

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 01:26 PM

tonyoci, on Jan 30 2006, 06:10 PM, said:

The CD's themselves are excellent, "pro-quality".
What gets uploaded? wav files? mp3s? Is there a mastering element?

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 04:02 PM

Not a bad idea at all.

Nige: You send them a master cd and they duplicate it.

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 03:33 PM

By pro-quality I meant more the quality of the CD label, packging materials etc. It was not a reflection on the quality of the music/mastering.

I have no personally done this but I believe that my friend uploaded individual WAV files (though they will take MP3's). It looks like you can also send them a finished CD as well.

Given the vanity nature of these projects I think the one I was on really did not feature any mastering, each track was just uploaded individually.

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 03:49 PM

From what I read on the sight they prefer you to send a master CD in audio format and they make an exact duplicate and then add the printing and packaging. It's $8.99 with an insert and jewel case. Pretty much a painless process for a limited run.

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Post icon  Posted 31 January 2006 - 05:36 PM

If this is really an interest - then we really need to reassess our purpose in hosting a CD project here on the Muse.

As a community effort, MANY folks pitched in at various stages on the last CD Project and helped in their areas of expertise. (I'll get an exact count if any one is interested.)

If this next one is going to be simply a vanity project/contest - then what all will WE gain as songwriters from the CD making process, other than writing a song and learning how to upload to a site? Is it still important to broaden the scope of the songwriting focus to include other factors addressed in REAL WORLD CD producing? Does it matter?

Looking at Jodi's responses and at the site as a whole, MM is here for learning about songwriting and all it's various inner and outer workings . . . so I'm not exactly sure the Caf? Press idea will fit the bill/vision for Jodi's site.

But it is an option . . . and one worth exploring further.

Tony, if you haven't heard or seen the last Muse Community Project CD, I'd be happy to send you one so you can do a little comparison/contrast for us.

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 11:36 PM

Are these pressed CDs or burned CDs? Burned CDs have a finite life of about 2 to 5 years, depending how you store them. They are rather temperature sensitive.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 10:38 AM

Though I don't know for sure, I do believe the Caf? Press CD's are burned rather than pressed. I will find out for sure and post here.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:04 PM

Sammy, on Feb 1 2006, 04:36 AM, said:

Are these pressed CDs or burned CDs?  Burned CDs have a finite life of about 2 to 5 years, depending how you store them.  They are rather temperature sensitive.


That is absolutely wrong.

I sat in an engineering meeting where, at one point, we reviewed the material properties and process used to write/burn a CD. Basically, putting data on a CD involves changing the state of the material used to store the info from a random structure to/from an organized crystaline structure thereby affecting its reflective properties. Once put into a state the only way it can change state is to be heated to a critical temperature. This heating is normally done via a focused laser and the temperature would not be reached by sitting on a shelf or even on the dashboard of a car on a sunny July day in Phoenix, AZ. The plasic substrate will degrade before the storage material changes state and plastic has a very long lifespan, ask any environmentalist.

If anything limits the life of a CD it is improper care. Fingerprints and scratches on the surface will ruin a CD before the bits are lost to any natural process.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:50 PM

Sammy, on Jan 31 2006, 08:36 PM, said:

Are these pressed CDs or burned CDs?  Burned CDs have a finite life of about 2 to 5 years, depending how you store them.  They are rather temperature sensitive.


I agree with cool_E that's an urban legend that's going around at the moment. No proof at all, it was discussed on a tech podcast I listen to just last week.

I would have to think they are burned because the sell to order so they would not press in advance.

Bubblingsoul, this post was in no way intended to co-op the process. I heard second hand stories about the problems first time around and had not heard any mention of Cafepress so I brought it up as a thought. I also recently heard that hosting a CD with CD-baby results in the tracks being invidually available on iTunes which could be good. I definitely understand your comments on the whole CD generation process (though I don't think that's directly tied to songwriting :) ) but either way this is definitely a vanity project.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 01:18 PM

I think Caf? Press of something like it is definitely the wave of the future ? especially for indy songwriters and labels. There's no initial investment and you get a professional looking product.

If you sell a cd for $11.99 that still leaves you a profit of $3 or about 2c each for every songwriter and artist on the cd. Still better than paying out IMO.

Of course, I haven't actually seen a Caf? Press cd up close so I'll reserve my judgement until I do.

But good info to know. Thanks Tony.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 09:08 AM

I'll admit I may have fallen victim of an urban legend. What I do know is that I have burned CDs that used to work and no longer work and I am far more careful in handling CDs than most people. I also have never had this problem with manufactured CDs. And I know of many of people who have complained about the same thing. I heard about the supposed temperature degradation of burned CDs and just assumed that is probably the cause. After giving it more thought, the cause could also be that the burner wasn't properly calibrated so the CDs in question weren't burned to spec. or my players are out of calibration, though usually, if it doesn't work on one of my drives, it doesn't work on any of my five drives/players. I doubt that all my players went out of calibration simultaneously. Whatever, I avoid burned CDs for something I want to keep for a while and so do a lot of other people.

I have found that truth is often irrelevent. Products have failed, companies have gone bankrupt, and governments have toppled because of rumors and perceptions that are totally wrong. I don't think it is wise to try to market something in a format people are going to avoid, whether their reasons are right or wrong.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:27 PM

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Whatever, I avoid burned CDs for something I want to keep for a while and so do a lot of other people.
I don't think it is wise to try to market something in a format people are going to avoid, whether their reasons are right or wrong.

People are avoiding cdr's?...
What do you do as an alternative for archiving data?
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:48 PM

RLD, on Feb 2 2006, 12:27 PM, said:

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Whatever, I avoid burned CDs for something I want to keep for a while and so do a lot of other people.
I don't think it is wise to try to market something in a format people are going to avoid, whether their reasons are right or wrong.

People are avoiding cdr's?...
What do you do as an alternative for archiving data?


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Posted 03 February 2006 - 12:00 AM

Sounds like someone's water glass is trembling. You may want to stay in the vehicle for your safety, but then that would not make the story any more interesting. However, I have an idea. If you run out in fear, somehow find yourself on a toilet, and get eaten in one bite, you may sell more copies. And then marketing, as you say, slap that on a lunch box and rake in the millions...
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RLD, on Feb 2 2006, 11:27 AM, said:

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Whatever, I avoid burned CDs for something I want to keep for a while and so do a lot of other people.
I don't think it is wise to try to market something in a format people are going to avoid, whether their reasons are right or wrong.

People are avoiding cdr's?...
What do you do as an alternative for archiving data?


A friend of mine came by with a really cool little toy the other day that he bought for $60. I can't remember what he called it but the jist of it was that it's portable memory that you can fit into your shirt pocket, purse etc. and it has a little cap you pull off and then you can plug it into the USB port of any computer. I believe it had 20 gigs of memory but I can't recall. It was either 20 or 25 anyway. Cool stuff!

Personally, I have about 100 cd-r's that I've had since I recorded them in '98. Everyone of them doesn't have a scratch on them and plays just as well as the day I recorded them. I'm not sure where Sammy got his information on shelf life but I read something that said a cd has a shelf life of 20 years.

The key is the number of songs that are burned or the amount of data that is burned. I try to keep my songs at a max. 12 per cd and Data below 500. Generally, most scratching occurs the further you get from the middle of the cd. If you use all of the space on one, more than likely it will scratch rather quickly and be worthless. The other key is how they are stored. Using binders with sleeves will scratch them up but if you buy a cabinet and store it in the jewel case, you'll find that they last much longer. Or anyway, that's what has worked for me. Also, I usually burn my data on DVD-R because I can store more but they tend to scratch as badly as CD-R's. Again, it depends on how well you handle them and store them. Plus, burning backups is a smart thing to do as well.

I'm sure whatever form that they use on the muse cd will be high quality. It just depends on the user if it'll last whether it's burned or pressed. I know people who go thru store bought cd's within a matter of weeks.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 05:06 PM

Another thing that'll help with scratching is they make cd skins now, add $1 to the cost of your cd's but they do work. The ones I've tried are called d_skins, I bought mine at work (Staples). I just bought the trial pack of 6 for $5.99, but they come in larger packs for cheaper prices. I've used them in my computer (home and work), truck cd player, dvd player, and a friends xbox with no probs- I already scratched one cover up by dropping it on the floor, but the cd was fine-snapped old cover off and put on a new one! I have heard people who have reservations about using them in feed type slots (versus drop in types), but no probs in my truck so far, just make sure you snap them on all the way around........... much cheaper than buying a new dvd (and even the manufactured dvd's seem to scratch way way way too easily!)
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 05:34 PM

Hello people.. I am just trying to get up to speed here. I have a few cd's out and I have about 15 computers that burn the dicsc. I label them and produce artwork. I get it copied and assemble the thing. I know there are places like Discmasters and Musician's Friend who also do this, like Cafe press, but I do believe at a lower price. Anyway, keep on...

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 11:18 AM

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