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What This Forum Is About:Do you have any experiences you want to share as a newcomer to songwriting? Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. :)
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 May 19 2006, 04:43 PM
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 A Muse's Muse  Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 17-June 03 From: Manchester, UK via Saudi via Canada Member No.: 11175  |
Just came across this at WikiHow:
http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Song And Muses Muse is even reference at the bottom of it. LL. -------------------- The new multicultural "tour-de-force" Bakhoor, recorded in India, Canada and Saudi Arabia, NOW ON SALE:
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May 19 2006, 11:29 PM
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 A Muse's Muse Group: Members Posts: 559 Joined: 10-December 02 From: Beautiful Vancouver Member No.: 10628 |
Good contribution...I like the article.
Thanks. Stan -------------------- Having Fun!!! Keepers of Muse's Muse
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May 20 2006, 12:14 PM
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 Contributing Muse Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 3-April 06 Member No.: 15329 |
Thanks for sharing this, JFDI!
I just browsed it but it looks like a great article. 
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 May 21 2006, 08:56 AM
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Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 5-May 06 From: Australia Member No.: 15451 |
Hi,
At least the advertisements are related to music...but then, why would we click on them otherwise? Just for our benefit...I doubt it! Richard The Songwriting Hub -------------------- QUOTE Visit http://www.thesongwritinghub.com Download the free ebook The Popular Song: Instrumentation. |
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May 26 2006, 08:42 AM
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 Aloha! Group: Super Moderators Posts: 2515 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Birmingham, UK Member No.: 10970 |
Lorelei
This is such a good article I'm going to pin it. Thanks Nigel
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Aug 4 2006, 02:48 PM
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 Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 14-February 06 From: NE Member No.: 15215 |
Wow, that really was a good article. You can learn so much from that!
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Aug 6 2006, 11:24 AM
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Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 13-February 06 Member No.: 15208 |
Wow, where was this article when I was in my slump? It's a great piece.
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Aug 12 2006, 09:58 AM
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 For what, we ask, is life without a touch of poetry in it? Group: Members Posts: 1232 Joined: 8-August 05 From: Swarthmore, PA Member No.: 14379 |
I am usually verrrrrry suspicious of written "how to write a song" sorts of things. But that article is just about right -- the right balance between some helpful tips on how it's usually done, and advice on developing your own inner gyroscope.
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Aug 18 2006, 08:44 PM
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 Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 14-August 06 From: SW Ontario Member No.: 16027 |
Good article, and it reminded me of a couple of things I've heard and or read that I've used lately to try and get something going in the old noggin:
I can't remember where I heard these little bits. Osmosis lacks memory sometimes I suppose. 1/ Turn the radio on really low so you can barely hear it. You can sometimes catch yourself thinking you're hearing some melody, but it isn't the melody on the radio. It's borderline plagarism I guess. I promise I won't tell. 2/ I heard something from Glenn Frey talking about when him and Don Henley got together to first start writing. They were writing together and they finally had a light bulb go on, to try and make their songs as universal as possible. So when I'm working on lyrics, I try to stay on the side of the road that hopefully everyone has felt or experienced. With the article I just read posted above, some things seem like common sense to some but others are "oh well why didn't I think of that...silly bird!". These two little tidbits might be in the same boat..but you never know. q. -------------------- My websites:
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Nov 10 2006, 12:40 PM
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 Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 10-November 06 Member No.: 16608 |
This was a nice article, a bit too general for my taste. I am interested in finding something with a bit more theory, more discussion of form and chord progression.
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Nov 10 2006, 01:13 PM
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Aloha! Group: Super Moderators Posts: 2515 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Birmingham, UK Member No.: 10970 |
QUOTE (PDXCPX @ Nov 10 2006, 05:40 PM)  This was a nice article, a bit too general for my taste. I am interested in finding something with a bit more theory, more discussion of form and chord progression. I suggest you try looking in Musical DepthsWelcome Nigel -------------------- |
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Nov 25 2006, 09:40 PM
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Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 25-November 06 Member No.: 16707 |
That was a really cool article. I'm having more trouble than I used to, getting songs together. I need a new direction. Right now I'm getting ideas down, and not finishing them. I have a lot of unfinished stuff. Pretty frustrating. I think if I get a system down that works it'll come easier. HF
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Dec 28 2006, 11:43 AM
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 Let's Go Out Tonite Group: Members Posts: 915 Joined: 5-December 06 From: London, UK Member No.: 16849 |
Good stuff...also enjoyed the links underneath to other Wikihow articles...if nothing else, they're interesting.
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Oct 31 2007, 09:45 PM
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Active Muse Group: Members Posts: 164 Joined: 28-October 07 From: Central Illinois Member No.: 19752 |
QUOTE (Jackson Finch @ Dec 28 2006, 11:43 AM) Good stuff...also enjoyed the links underneath to other Wikihow articles...if nothing else, they're interesting. Being new to all of this, I found this article to be extremely interesting and full of excellent suggestions and ideas. As indicated previously, this is 'good stuff!!!' LRayJ |
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Jan 22 2008, 10:13 PM
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 Contributing Muse Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 22-January 08 From: Music World Member No.: 19971 |
That's a good resource for writing songs. Are there any good sources for melodies? that's what i need help on...
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Jan 23 2008, 08:06 AM
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Aloha! Group: Super Moderators Posts: 2515 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Birmingham, UK Member No.: 10970 |
QUOTE (Hale @ Jan 23 2008, 03:13 AM) That's a good resource for writing songs. Are there any good sources for melodies? that's what i need help on... Hi, maybe you could try asking the question in Musical DepthsNige
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Jan 23 2008, 01:00 PM
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Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 22-September 06 From: England Member No.: 16280 |
QUOTE (Quartzelcoatl @ Aug 18 2006, 08:44 PM) 1/ Turn the radio on really low so you can barely hear it. You can sometimes catch yourself thinking you're hearing some melody, but it isn't the melody on the radio. It's borderline plagarism I guess. I promise I won't tell. This works. I was listening to a few songs on Itunes today with the volume pretty low and I found myself coming up with melodies then when I listened back to what had inspired them they sounded almost completely different! 
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Jan 23 2008, 01:39 PM
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 Recording Tips Moderator & all around Groovy Dude Group: Moderators Posts: 1043 Joined: 13-March 03 Member No.: 10910 |
QUOTE (Ollie @ Jan 23 2008, 10:00 AM) QUOTE (Quartzelcoatl @ Aug 18 2006, 08:44 PM) 1/ Turn the radio on really low so you can barely hear it. You can sometimes catch yourself thinking you're hearing some melody, but it isn't the melody on the radio. It's borderline plagarism I guess. I promise I won't tell. This works. I was listening to a few songs on Itunes today with the volume pretty low and I found myself coming up with melodies then when I listened back to what had inspired them they sounded almost completely different! Yeah...I've used that technique for a long time...works great. Another twist on that is to turn up a radio station, but just for a second or two, then turn if off. Your brain can then take what its heard and sometimes fill in the missing parts...lot of fun when it works. Also, try and imagine a popular band, on stage playing a song. Try and make it very detailed and sometimes a new song will emerge that way. If you can create music from reading lyrics, try writing to lyrics from CD jackets...very funny to compare what you come up with to the original. OTOH, I've tried to immerse myself with a particular CD from a group to absorb their style, and found myself unable to get certain songs out of my head.  The mind is a strange and wonderful thing. -------------------- Recipient of Coveted Muse's Muse Awards
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Sep 11 2009, 11:55 PM
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Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 17-August 09 Member No.: 21842 |
nice work!
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Sep 12 2009, 05:20 PM
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Contributing Muse Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 29-September 04 Member No.: 13095 |
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If you can create music from reading lyrics, try writing to lyrics from CD jackets...very funny to compare what you come up with to the original. [/quote] i have done this a time or two but sometimes to see for just goofs i would look for a set of lyrics of a song and band ive never heard of its interesting when you listen to the song after you get yours done |
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Sep 16 2009, 10:24 PM
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Contributing Muse Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 15-September 09 From: N/A Member No.: 21920 |
That was a really good article
 - Except I write all day long; maybe my creative peak is 12 - 4 BUT I find I write different types of songs at different times of the day. For instance, at night I tend to write very sad songs or love songs often ballads whilst during the day what I write is a lot more upbeat rock. So for me, I write when the song comes to me. Whenever that may be. Does this happen to anyone else??? 
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Sep 16 2009, 10:34 PM
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Contributing Muse Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 15-September 09 From: N/A Member No.: 21920 |
QUOTE (RLD @ Jan 23 2008, 02:39 PM) QUOTE (Ollie @ Jan 23 2008, 10:00 AM) QUOTE (Quartzelcoatl @ Aug 18 2006, 08:44 PM) 1/ Turn the radio on really low so you can barely hear it. You can sometimes catch yourself thinking you're hearing some melody, but it isn't the melody on the radio. It's borderline plagarism I guess. I promise I won't tell. This works. I was listening to a few songs on Itunes today with the volume pretty low and I found myself coming up with melodies then when I listened back to what had inspired them they sounded almost completely different!  Yeah...I've used that technique for a long time...works great. Another twist on that is to turn up a radio station, but just for a second or two, then turn if off. Your brain can then take what its heard and sometimes fill in the missing parts...lot of fun when it works. Also, try and imagine a popular band, on stage playing a song. Try and make it very detailed and sometimes a new song will emerge that way. If you can create music from reading lyrics, try writing to lyrics from CD jackets...very funny to compare what you come up with to the original. OTOH, I've tried to immerse myself with a particular CD from a group to absorb their style, and found myself unable to get certain songs out of my head.  The mind is a strange and wonderful thing. I've done this when writing before. Also sometimes, I listen to a song for about 30 seconds - Then I just think randomly for about 4/5 minutes and eventually a melody comes into my head. If the song had good lyrics it sometimes causes me to write lyrics inspired by the song. For instance, I was listening to Metallica - Fade to Black when I wrote a song. Though the genres are extremely different - the melody came to my head after listening to the song and lyrically it was very inspired by it. |
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Sep 19 2009, 01:32 PM
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Active Muse Group: Members Posts: 107 Joined: 16-September 09 Member No.: 21923 |
tks. for sharing.
i still have another 18years, before turning 85. my next 100 compos will be much better, i'm sure, after reading the article, at least five times over; i'm really serious. there are many pointers, that i'm already using, but many3 more that i have been made aware of. thank god!!!!!! cheers! |
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Nov 5 2009, 01:00 PM
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 Contributing Muse Group: Members Posts: 54 Joined: 13-October 09 Member No.: 22017 |
Good information, that'll come in handy
 Thanks for sharing --------------------   Click on either picture for music or videos |
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Nov 9 2009, 11:51 AM
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Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 9-November 09 Member No.: 22112 |
QUOTE (Ron @ Nov 5 2009, 12:00 PM) Good information, that'll come in handy Thanks for sharing Hello, I just signed up today and please forgive me. I am a total newb and will be reading everything you sent to me but I need direction right off the bat. I bought the Sony Acid Music Studio 7 PC software and installed it. I have no idea how to get to the over 3,000 music loops. To get to the gist of this I'm on a long uphill road. I finally made myself do what I have wanted to do all my life, write songs.I have a wife & son here in WI, but NO musical talent at all. Yep, I'm in trouble.I just need to know how to put music to the words I wrote using this program and I'm gonna be the vocalist. Umm, did I say I waited till I'm 43 years old. I'm gonna finally follow my dream or die trying. The songs are gonna be for commercial. I know I can do this, just need direction please. I know your busy so if you could please just point me in the right direction of anyone who might know this pc program and could guide a newb a little I would be in your debt forever. Thank you very much, Hnewb |
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Nov 9 2009, 02:29 PM
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 Big Meanie Muse Group: Moderators Posts: 1575 Joined: 24-November 03 From: Canadia Member No.: 11685 |
QUOTE (Hnewb @ Nov 9 2009, 11:51 AM) QUOTE (Ron @ Nov 5 2009, 12:00 PM) Good information, that'll come in handy B) Thanks for sharing Hello, I just signed up today and please forgive me. I am a total newb and will be reading everything you sent to me but I need direction right off the bat. I bought the Sony Acid Music Studio 7 PC software and installed it. I have no idea how to get to the over 3,000 music loops. To get to the gist of this I'm on a long uphill road. I finally made myself do what I have wanted to do all my life, write songs.I have a wife & son here in WI, but NO musical talent at all. Yep, I'm in trouble.I just need to know how to put music to the words I wrote using this program and I'm gonna be the vocalist. Umm, did I say I waited till I'm 43 years old. I'm gonna finally follow my dream or die trying. The songs are gonna be for commercial. I know I can do this, just need direction please. I know your busy so if you could please just point me in the right direction of anyone who might know this pc program and could guide a newb a little I would be in your debt forever. Thank you very much, Hnewb http://www.ehow.com/video_4445091_where-so...-pro-loops.html -------------------- |
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Nov 9 2009, 03:40 PM
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Muse In Training Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 9-November 09 Member No.: 22112 |
Thanks Mark for the link, great info there. I purchased the software and registerded it online which gave me the option to go to their site and grab like 8 more free loops as a thank you for registered users. Very nice. But my specific answer, I cant find. On the outside of the software box I purchased it states " Includes over 3,000 ACIDized music loops and 1,000 MIDI files. " I know exactly where the files are and use the loops of the 8 from buying the software. The one thing it doesn't say, not asking how to use, is where exactly do I access these 3k loops. Show me, tell me where exactly to clicky and poof, they all appear. That's all I need, can't get that straight answer even from their own website with the free trial version on it. I just need to find them in wherever they are hid, lol.
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Nov 10 2009, 07:55 AM
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Big Meanie Muse Group: Moderators Posts: 1575 Joined: 24-November 03 From: Canadia Member No.: 11685 |
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