| PipNestella |
jodi i own my own publishing company now also...so when people ask..are you published..i say..yeppers!! |
| cherry |
yes |
| sdb |
we're ready |
| SongLush |
Are we going to take turns asking questions? |
| JodiMuse |
Good going, Nan! :-) |
| cherry |
i think that would be best |
| CC |
Could you say again the protocol for asking questions? |
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| CC |
Hey AK babydoll. |
| AK |
hi |
| JodiMuse |
Yes, SongLush. Rules are this - and I'll repeat this periodically throughout the night. If you have a question, just type a "?" and wait for a moderator - me for tonight - to tell you when to go ahead, ok? |
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| CC |
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| SongLush |
a |
| JodiMuse |
SongLush? That's a Question Mark - "?" |
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| CC |
Hi kenna, gemini |
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b |
| AK |
Hi Sherrill |
| SongLush |
? sorry |
| AK |
? |
| cherry |
my question is how do you go about gettinf your lyrics heard to an artsit even if you are not the best vocalist but have the vision for it and know how you want the song to go |
| stephenb |
? |
| cherry |
getting |
| JodiMuse |
Cherry? I'll go through this again - you type a "?" and I'll let you know when to go ahead, ok? |
| JodiMuse |
CC, go for it. |
| cherry |
a"?" |
| CC |
Sherrill, when 2 publishers are responsible for getting a song cut, what is the usual publishing split? |
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| Kenna |
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| sdb |
cc, is there one writer? two writers? which publisher is the song published with? you 're asking kind of a vague question |
| cherry |
how can i go about getting my lyrics heard once they are copywritten? |
| CC |
Sorry.. No contract, handshake, both know the other is pitching, song is on hold, one writer. Will the writer get any of the pub--or is it ok to negot. for it. |
| JodiMuse |
Cherry, please wait your turn, ok? It's coming. Promise. |
| Paddi |
zealous crowd tonite, I like it! |
| cherry |
sorry. |
| sdb |
cc, no contract??? whoa, that's tricky. who had it first? |
| CC |
One person is responsible for getting the demo done a certain way--the other for getting it to the artist's brother. |
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| sdb |
cc, without knowing the spefics, it's hard to give one answer that covers the entire sitution. I, as a publisher would not work this way. |
| CC |
I understand!!! Thank you. |
| JodiMuse |
Are you done then, CC? |
| CC |
For now--more later! |
| JodiMuse |
:-) ok. Your turn, SongLush! |
| SongLush |
Sherrill the International Songwriters Assoc. copyrighyt music for members free. Is this safe they are located in Ireland? |
| CC |
? for later Jodi |
| sdb |
songlush, why would you copyright a song outside the US? Do you live in Ireland? |
| JodiMuse |
You'll be after Kenna, CC. I've made a note of it. |
| SongLush |
No I dont but its free. |
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| SongLush |
I copyright here as well but was curious if I could get by just copyrighting it through them. |
| CC |
thank you jodimuse |
| sdb |
songlush, to make a long answer fairly short. i believe you have to copyright songs in the country in which you live |
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| SongLush |
Would a publisher accept a song with copyrights in Ireland? |
| JodiMuse |
Sherrill, when you're done answering a particular question, can you type a (done) or something to that effect? |
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| sdb |
songlush, probably not. I have to ask why you want to copyright the song. Is it being recorded for release. |
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done |
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| SongLush |
I just copyright them before I start pitching them. |
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| sdb |
songlush, let me say this. don't worry about it. a publisher will take care of all that when the song gets recorded. For pitching purposes, it's not necessary |
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done |
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| SongLush |
Thank you Sherrill! |
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| JodiMuse |
Ok. AK? Go ahead. |
| AK |
I've had good luck cowriting while in Nashville, but have only written w/people I know. How do you suggest I set up writing sessions w/the ones I don't know? Through their pubs if they're staffers? Will SESAC help? |
| cherry |
don't forget me. |
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| JodiMuse |
I haven't forgotten you, Cherry. You're after stephanb. |
| SongLush |
? for later Jodi |
| sdb |
ak, if you are a sesac writer then give your rep a call to set up the cowrite possibility. most publishers only want their writers working with writers at other established companies. |
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| AK |
Okay, thanks Sherill |
| AK |
Sherrill |
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| JodiMuse |
stephanb you're up. :-) |
| stephenb |
sherill, I've had some songs published and recorded through the mail, now I'm at a roadblock |
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| stephenb |
do you have to move to Nashville? |
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| Blue |
a ? |
| CC |
Hi all (while we're waiting) . . . |
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| sdb |
stephen, if you have to ask, you're not ready. I never tell writers to move. I will not accept that responsibility. |
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| sdb |
stephen, do you visit Nashville. |
| stephenb |
more so just for getting them heard? |
| stephenb |
yeh Ive recorded there |
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| sdb |
stephen, i've found that if a writer belongs here, they will know it without anyone telling them. If you can't live here, then the next best thing is to visit frequently |
| sdb |
done |
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| AK |
thanks for that answer., Sherrill. We have all asked it at one time |
| stephenb |
just for the credibilty thing? |
| mike |
Type HEREhey folks |
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| sdb |
stephen, what to you mean by credibility |
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| stephenb |
so publishers know you are serious |
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| sdb |
stephen, I will say this again, only you can determine if you're meant to be here |
| sdb |
done |
| stephenb |
thanks sherill, thanks jodi |
| JodiMuse |
Ok cherry. Go ahead. |
| cherry |
i would like to know how can i get my lyrics to the right people once they have been coprywritten? |
| sdb |
cherry, no one will handle just lyrics. You will need music and a demo. Do you have a demo of your songs. |
| sdb |
done |
| Slingshot286 |
Type HEREHey-how about some serious songwriting issues? |
| cherry |
i have a demo of them with idea music behind it but i'm not the best singer you know. |
| JodiMuse |
Slingshot, we have a guest speaker here. If you'd like to ask a question, please type a "?" and I'll let you know when to go ahead and ask your question, ok? Thanks. |
| sdb |
cherry, if you don't feel your demos shows your song in the best light, then get someone else to sing it. |
| sdb |
done |
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| cherry |
thanks. |
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| mike |
sherill, do you recomend any online publishers and or agents? |
| Slingshot286 |
? |
| JodiMuse |
Ok Kenna. You're up. :-) |
| Kenna |
Hi Sherrill, thanks for being here. What do you think is most easily sellable in todays market (type of songs)? |
| JodiMuse |
mike, please type your "?" and wait for me to let you know when to go ahead ok? |
| sdb |
kenna, uptempos are where it's at. |
| sdb |
dne |
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| Kenna |
uptempo ballads or happy songs? hehe |
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| Slingshot286 |
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| sdb |
kenna, all I can tell you is that for every uptempo I have, I've got 200 ballads |
| Kenna |
enough said...thanks |
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| JodiMuse |
CC? You're up again. |
| Slingshot286 |
ok |
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| CC |
Sherrill, for an artist with moderate business skills and a big artist cut --what is the advantage of working thru a publishing admin. co like bug or bluewater? |
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| sdb |
cc, do you have this kind of cut? Or is this hypothetical? |
| sdb |
doen |
| CC |
it's in the works. |
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| sdb |
cc, then do some comparison shopping percentage wise. I think bug charges something like 15%, I don't know what \bluwater charges |
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| CC |
ARe there aspects of business that they will cover that I won't likely get to myself? |
| Kenna |
? |
| Nan |
hello TT |
| sdb |
cc, you may want ot contact Harry fox and consider working thru them |
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| CC |
Final part of question--so it's likely better to work with someone else than do it on my own |
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| sdb |
cc, outside of experience in rate quotes in other areas beside mechanical, they will be of help. Otherwise, you can probably handle it yourself thru Fox |
| CC |
Sherrill, thanks so much. Very helpful! |
| sdb |
done |
| JodiMuse |
Ok SongLush. You're up. |
| SongLush |
How do I get affiliated with the Harry Fox agency? |
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| sdb |
songlush, they are located in NY. You can find them via their website |
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| greygossamer |
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| SongLush |
Do you have to be published? |
| sdb |
songlush, you have to be a publisher to join. If you are not a publisher, then you need to concentrate on working withone |
| sdb |
done |
| JodiMuse |
Ok Blue. Go ahead. |
| SongLush |
I see. Thanks Sherrill |
| JodiMuse |
Hmmm... I think he's gone now. |
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| CC |
? jodi--thanks |
| JodiMuse |
Ok. Let's go to gemini and if blue gets back, I'll fit him/her back in. |
| gemini |
I've written a song. Someone wants to record it. They ask" do you have it published" . Answer is no. My ? is this. At this point , why would I just give up 50% to someone else. Can I start my own publishing co . at that point in time and how do I do that? |
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| SongLush |
? for later |
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| sdb |
gemini, if you're getting it recorded, then you probably wouldn't want to give up 50% unless you don't want to mess with all the paperwork, etc. |
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| gemini |
It is filed with SOCAN(not a publisher) for airplay royalties. Is that all that is necessary? |
| sdb |
gemini, as for starting a publishing co., it's just a matter of filling out the paperwork with BMI, ASCAP, SESAC, SOCAN, etc. |
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| sdb |
gemini, then it's a matter of issuing the mechanical license and hopefully collecting the royalties. |
| mike |
"?" |
| sdb |
doen |
| CC |
For the record, I'm loving these q & a's. |
| gemini |
thanks, done |
| sdb |
done |
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| Nan |
hello sara |
| JodiMuse |
Glad to hear it, CC. Ok - Slingshot was supposed to be up... but he's left... so we'll go with Kenna and go back to him if he gets back here. |
| JodiMuse |
Oops! Kenna logged off too... Ok. stephenb - go ahead. We'll go back to the other two. |
| stephenb |
do you accept unsolicited material from those who have been recorded by major artists? |
| Nan |
lol..i know |
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| sdb |
stephen, right now I'm not looking for anything. who cut your song? |
| stephenb |
chris leDoux |
| CC |
Congrats!! |
| sdb |
stephen, he's great. I've been trying to get a cut with him |
| Nan |
way to go!! |
| JodiMuse |
Congratulations, Stephan. :) |
| stephenb |
He's tough to get to |
| sdb |
done |
| JodiMuse |
So how about telling us how you managed it, Stephen. That's what this place is all about. :-) I mean, in general terms. Anyone else mind a brief pause? |
| stephenb |
sherill, so do you look for songs from people like me? |
| Nan |
not me jodi |
| sdb |
stephen, when i'm looking for songs, I accept songs from all over. it's just that right now i've got everything I need |
| stephenb |
do you want me to go jodi? |
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| greygossamer |
Hi nan! |
| JodiMuse |
I'd really love for you to talk about that, Stephen. Can you tell us a little bit more about how it happened? That sort of thing is always useful for other songwriters to hear, don't you think? |
| greygossamer |
? |
| stephenb |
actually just a guitar and vocal demo |
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| SongLush |
If I may ask Stephen what is the name of the song? |
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| JodiMuse |
Yes, but how did you get it into his hands? |
| stephenb |
liked one sog of mine but wasn't his style |
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| stephenb |
song |
| sdb |
stephen, were you able to keep your publishing. Or did chris get it? |
| JodiMuse |
And stephen, is this through someone you know? I mean, how did you get him to listen in the first place? |
| stephenb |
through his publisher |
| stephenb |
he was just taking off |
| stephenb |
he called and spoke several times |
| stephenb |
even got a Christmas card ha ha |
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| greygossamer |
wow! |
| stephenb |
ok better let someone else in |
| JodiMuse |
Thanks, stephen. |
| Nan |
your a hard act to follow stephen lol |
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| JodiMuse |
Stephen, you didn't answer Sherrill there - did you get to keep your publishing? |
| TT |
"?" |
| sdb |
jodi, he answered |
| SongLush |
Stephen what is the name of the song you wrote for Chris? |
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| stephenb |
no it went to Capitol liberty |
| JodiMuse |
Ah. Ok. Thanks. |
| JodiMuse |
Ok folks... better move on. :-) |
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| JodiMuse |
grey, go ahead. |
| greygossamer |
2 q's sherrill... 1) what does a publisher mean when he says "I've got everything I need" :) ... and 2) what is the best way to approach an A&R rep with ... is taking him/her out to lunch ethical? |
| CC |
jodi, am i on the ? list? |
| JodiMuse |
You're after grey, CC. |
| greygossamer |
sorry, lost my q... what is the best way to approcah an a&R rep with my songs/songwriting |
| Canuck |
"?" |
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| sdb |
grey, I've got close to three thousand songs right now, covering all tempos, styles, genres, etc. |
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| sdb |
grey, as for lunch with an A&R, just give them a call. Chances are, if they don't know you, they either won't return the call or politely refuse lunch. |
| Nan |
hello wrghton |
| greygossamer |
covering all? but what about my hit song!? |
| WrghtOn |
Hi all |
| greygossamer |
well, I do know this one A&R guy so will give it at shot! |
| Nan |
i'll have lunch with ya grey!! |
| greygossamer |
wooo hooo |
| JodiMuse |
Hi Wrght. If you have a question, type a "?" and I'll let you know when to go ahead with it, ok? |
| sdb |
grey, your hit song will not beat the three hundred hit songs i already have and can't get recorded |
| sdb |
grey, that's a joke |
| Nan |
lol@sdb |
| WrghtOn |
ok thanks |
| greygossamer |
am laughing! |
| greygossamer |
and crying |
| greygossamer |
LOL |
| JodiMuse |
:-) On to CC? |
| CC |
Up until now I have let artists with no record deal put my songs on the demos they shop to labels, but with a substantial "hold" and a new batch of songs, is it best NOT to let people put them on their shop-to-label demos? Or does this just get my songs heard more? |
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| greygossamer |
by the way, thanks sdb! |
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| Nan |
hello finn |
| sdb |
cc, no you can do this. I do this all the time. I don't give holds though. |
| Finn |
hello everyone! |
| JodiMuse |
Hi Finn. |
| CC |
So if a major artist asks for a hold, you say No? |
| sdb |
cc, I only give holds to artists who have deals. But it's a great way to get your songs heard. This is how i got my LeAnnRimes cuts |
| Finn |
First time here, looks like a friendly croud |
| sdb |
done |
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| CC |
Great. I'll continue then!! thanks. |
| Nan |
you betcha Finn |
| JodiMuse |
We are, Finn. :-) Welcome! We have a guest speaker right now so if you have a question, type a "?" and wait until I tell you to go ahead, ok? |
| Finn |
? |
| JodiMuse |
lol You got the hang of it already. ;-) |
| CC |
Sherrill, if you gave a major artist a hold, would you stil l allow THAT song to go onto demos? |
| JodiMuse |
Ok mike - you're up. |
| JodiMuse |
Oops! I think he's gone too! Ok.... TT? |
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| Nan |
? |
| CC |
? |
| sdb |
cc, no, if a major artist has it on hold I usually will not play it for anyone else. However, if I suspect that it may not stick, i'll continue to pitch |
| sdb |
done |
| CC |
thanks Sherrill. |
| JodiMuse |
TT? Are you there? Go ahead if you'd like.. |
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| TT |
Sherrill, would you be bitter if a writer used the revision clause that you offer? |
| CC |
grey, don't know |
| sdb |
tt, do you mean reversion. |
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| TT |
sorry , can't spell tonight |
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| sdb |
tt, what do you mean by using MY reversion. Do you mean in another contract |
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| TT |
I'll talk to you personally about it later. |
| CC |
grey, can't get the priv. to work!! But yes. . . |
| sdb |
tt, ok. it's hard to know exactly what a person means via this chat room |
| TT |
I know. thanks....go heels! |
| JodiMuse |
Hmmm... Ok. And taking this right along, Canuck? You're up. |
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| JodiMuse |
lol Boy. This just isn't my night. Everyone I call on disappears on me. :-) Ok. Finn? |
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| Finn |
Do you see any problems with having songs on mp3.com that i was also want to shop? |
| sdb |
finn, i don't see a problem with that at all. |
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| Finn |
SO there wouldn't be any conflict? |
| Canuck |
Sorry Jodi, I got disconnected. My question is, who is going to really big in country--one year from now. Give us some names please. |
| sdb |
finn, I don't see a conflict. the pitch avenues are completely different. Unless you sign away the download rights |
| Finn |
ok thanks |
| JodiMuse |
Did you catch Canuck's question, Sherrill? Don't know if you can help with that one... |
| sdb |
canuck, i don't have a crystal ball. I can give you a few names of artists I like that haven't come out yet |
| sdb |
canuck, eric heatherly, darryl worley, tammy powell, steve holy, ...........me |
| Canuck |
I remember a Nashville publisher talking about the Dixie Chicks in April 1998. I'd have invested in peroxide if I knew then what we know now. |
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| CC |
And Jamie O'Neal is great! |
| sdb |
canuck, it's hard to call. I got lucky with LeAnn Rimes. I had no idea she would be as big as she is now. |
| sdb |
doen |
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| JodiMuse |
Ok - SongLush, go ahead. |
| SongLush |
Sherrill have you ever heard of Molly-Ann Leikin? If so are her songwriter services worth paying for? |
| Canuck |
You should talk to her then. Soon. |
| Nan |
Eric Heatherly is fantastic..i saw his showcase at tootsies and he knocked me dead..I was disappointed at what he debuted with |
| sdb |
songlush, didn't she write a book about ten years ago? what has she done lately |
| SongLush |
She has a conslulting business for songwriters |
| JodiMuse |
Most of the stuff she does now is online, Sherrill. |
| sdb |
songlush, what has she done lately? |
| SongLush |
I dont really know if she has done anything lately, just wondering if you knew |
| sdb |
songlush, I'm being sarcastic |
| SongLush |
Oh!! |
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| greygossamer |
hard to be sarcastic in here LOL can't hear your voice |
| sdb |
songlush, not to put anyone down who consults, but it's usually folks who either can't do it or haven;t had success in awhile |
| Nan |
i heard it fine lol |
| SongLush |
O.K. thanks again Sherrill and goodnight all |
| JodiMuse |
It's the battlecry of the industry - what have you done lately . ;-) |
| JodiMuse |
Bye SongLush! |
| Finn |
? |
| JodiMuse |
Nan, go ahead. |
| Canuck |
Some consultants can hear the beauty within the AM din. |
| Nan |
S why do you think they debuted eric with a remake when his stuff is killer |
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nan, hmmmmmmmm |
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| Nan |
have you heard some of his original stuff? |
| Lisa |
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| sdb |
nan, sometimes a song is released as a sacraficial lamb. then the follow up is the monster. in eric's case I don't know |
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| JodiMuse |
Sacraficial lamb? Could you explain that, Sherrill? |
| sdb |
nan, i've heard everything he has ever written. I used to go see him at tootsie's when there were only eight of us in the whole room |
| Nan |
he is a very sweet person and knocked me cold with his performance..Mercury had better not screw that one up!! |
| sdb |
jodi, sometimes a label will use a single to test the waters and just try to get an artist a little exposure. then they will come out with what they hope will be the smash |
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| JodiMuse |
I see. So they'll frequently use a cover to make people comfortable with the artist before releasing the hit single? |
| CC |
Ak, finally!! |
| Nan |
thanks sdb |
| sdb |
jodi, not necessarily a cover. just a single to get the exposure |
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| sdb |
jodi, there are different philosophies about this. will take too long to cover here |
| sdb |
done |
| JodiMuse |
Ok. Was just curious. Onward and outward. :-) CC, you're up. |
| Beth |
? |
| CC |
Sherrill, what is the heirarchy of HOLDS--A& R, producer, artist, etc? |
| sdb |
cc, great question. |
| CC |
thank you. I aim to please. |
| greygossamer |
cc is my friend she asks great q's |
| sdb |
cc, I will honor an artist hold with utmost respect, then producer, then A&R |
| sdb |
done |
| CC |
Thanks you much! |
| JodiMuse |
Go ahead, Finn. |
| Finn |
Its a long one...I currently have a country demo, midi bass and drums, real acoustic guitar, vocal has just a little bit of twang but no steel guitars, but I think it has enough country feel, Ive got some feedback that it isn't country enough, but with the big, country/pop crossover I think it is,...I dont know any comment or suggestions or advice on this topic?? |
| sdb |
finn, my feeling is this, you're trying to showcase a song, not production. Unfortunately, most people can't hear the song any more. |
| CC |
amen |
| Finn |
Like Say you have a song that could go either way, soft pop or country,... and you only make one demo,.. so you go down the middle, is that a good choice? |
| sdb |
finn, my favorite saying is "do what's best for the song". Does this demo show the song off in the best possible way, if not, then maybe another demo will help |
| Nan |
do you have a publisher you are working with finn? |
| Finn |
man, i guess your right. Thanks. |
| sdb |
done |
| JodiMuse |
Your turn, Lisa. |
| Finn |
Non exclusive |
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| Lisa |
Sherrill - do you know who Jamie ONeal's and Tammy Powell's publishers and/or personal managers are? They are too new to be in my Music Industry books....or do they both write their own material exclusively? |
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| CC |
Jamie writes. |
| Finn |
Nan, Ive been more in the Canadian Market, so Iim pretty new to the Nashville Market |
| sdb |
lisa, I don't know Jamie. I do know Tammy, but not her mgr. Tammy writes most of her own material |
| sdb |
done |
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| CC |
? |
| JodiMuse |
Yay Canadians! Sorry for the outburst... ;-) |
| Finn |
Our home and native land...... |
| Nan |
settle down jodi or we will start the NCAA warhoops! |
| JodiMuse |
I learned it with French being the next line, Finn. *chuckle* |
| JodiMuse |
Don't you know to "Blame Canada"? ;) |
| sdb |
jodi, c'mon I'm waiting forquesitons here. |
| CC |
we gottem |
| greygossamer |
sdb is being sarcastic again I just KNOW it! |
| IreneJ |
Yeah, that was a Canadian "outburst" for sure, Jodi :-) |
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| JodiMuse |
Sorry, Sherrill. Just poking a bit of fun. :-) Go ahead, Beth. |
| Beth |
Hi Sherrill....If you gave your lyrics to a co writer for music and that person disappeared for the last 3 months, is it o.k. to move on to another co writer? Will that first person have any rights to your song? |
| sdb |
beth, have you exhausted all ways of contacting this writer? |
| sdb |
beth, if so, I'd move on. |
| jp |
Type HERE? |
| jp |
"?' |
| sdb |
done |
| Beth |
O.K. thanks Sherrill...I just didn't know if there might be a legal problem later on if the song ever got accepted |
| JodiMuse |
Ok CC. Your turn. |
| AK |
? |
| CC |
Sherrill, once something on hold, what can the writer do to further promote chances--and how can that factor into getting other songs listened to? |
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| sdb |
cc, do you mean on hold with an artist? If so, then the best thing is to stay out of the way. |
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| Nan |
hello earl |
| sdb |
cc, this level of success however, can help open doors to submit more songs for that project |
| sdb |
done |
| CC |
Yes, with an artist. It's just a waiting thing then? If the publisher must represent their staff writers |
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| CC |
and doesn't have room for one more, then I can use the hold clout to get in other doors? |
| Kerry |
hi everyone |
| JodiMuse |
Hi Kerry. We have a guest speaker tonight so if you have a question, type a "?" and I'll get to you, ok? |
| Kerry |
ok |
| sdb |
cc, one of the most frustrating things about this business is waiting. I have to do it every day with songs that are being tied up by various artists. |
| sdb |
cc, and yes it can help open other doors. |
| sdb |
done |
| Paddi |
Gee what a terrible dilemma Sherril |
| Lisa |
? |
| CC |
I'm gettin it. Just want to know how to further the progress of the other songs!! |
| JodiMuse |
Ok jp - go ahead. |
| jp |
I have written the lyrics and chord structure/melody for a number of songs our band is going to record. band members have fleshed out the songs and added some fills and riffs so now i am not sure how much credit to give....advice?t |
| sdb |
jp, wow, this is tough. |
| greygossamer |
don't say that! |
| jp |
yeah, for me too |
| Nan |
are we cyberlocked |
| sdb |
jp, this is kind of the scenario that Charlie Daniels went thru with Devil Went Down to GA. It depends on how much credit you |
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| sdb |
feel is deserved for the input |
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| sdb |
done |
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| JodiMuse |
If I may... jp - if those songs would be able to be brought to another band in their raw form and played elsewhere - if they stand by themselves without all the fancy fills and riffs, then they're yours - but if you feel that what the others added really *makes* the song, then share the credit as you see fit. Make sense? |
| CC |
? |
| JodiMuse |
Sorry - wanted to just sort of add my 0.02 cents there. Even if's measely little Canadian cents. ;-) |
| jp |
I want to be fair and i don't want to cause dissension. the songs are really mine but there are egos involved and i am not sure how much credit is due |
| greygossamer |
LOL jodi |
| Finn |
LOONIES BABY! |
| CC |
for what it's worth, it's good to get that stuff straight up front |
| sdb |
jp, if the major sections of your songs are yours, then they are only helping you organize and arrange them. |
| JodiMuse |
You know the situation better than anyone, jp. But if these songs are going to go somewhere, yeah - I definitely agree with CC. It's best to get these things ironed out at the very beginning. |
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| JodiMuse |
lol Finn |
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| sdb |
jp, thiis is not cowriting. If they are actually sitting down with you and giving valid input, then that is cowriting |
| CC |
you could pay them like demo players |
| sdb |
jp, egos can be a tricky issue. Have you discussed this with your bandmembers |
| jp |
SDB do you mean legally?thanks |
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| sdb |
jp, it all boils down to what you discuss and negotiate |
| sdb |
done |
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| JodiMuse |
Ok AK - go ahead. |
| AK |
I met with the decision maker hiring new staff writers recently. She will be making final decisions in a month or so. What can I do/not do to maximize my chances of nailing this thing? |
| jp |
Ok, sort of what i figured. done |
| sdb |
ak, interesting question |
| sdb |
ak, stay in touch, but don't be a pest |
| CC |
fine line |
| AK |
I wrote w/a SongPlanet writer and they sent our demo to her....am I on the right track? |
| sdb |
ak, I'd periodically drop by to play new songs to this person to show what you're doing |
| sdb |
done |
| AK |
okay, thank you!! |
| CC |
beggin is out then. |
| AK |
lol |
| JodiMuse |
Go ahead, Lisa. |
| AK |
shoot |
| JodiMuse |
lol cc |
| Lisa |
A great Nashville songwriter told me once that to get in the "door" in Nashville your demos must have a very specific "sound". For ex., the fiddle must be played a certain way, etc. Do you find this to be true? I also heard that you really have to be in Nashville and perform at the Bluebird etc? True? |
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| sdb |
lisa, who have you been listening to??????? |
| Lisa |
Rick Carnes |
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| IreneJ |
lol |
| sdb |
lisa, Rick is a fine guy and a great writer. it goes back to what I said earlier. do what's best for the song |
| Lisa |
Thanks much |
| sdb |
lisa, as for playing at the bluebird, that is absolutely not true. it's a myth that's been blown way out of proportion |
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| JodiMuse |
Ok - anyone else with a question? |
| CC |
? |
| Babe |
? |
| AK |
? |
| itsme |
? |
| JodiMuse |
Go ahead, CC. |
| Quelyn |
? |
| CC |
What is the single best thing a writer can do to get a staff deal--? |
| AK |
Ask and you shall receive! |
| AK |
get cut |
| JodiMuse |
Yup. That's what I did. ;_0 |
| AK |
:) |
| sdb |
cc, how much money do you have???? (laughing) |
| AK |
LOL!! |
| CC |
Let me add--and will one cut get you in? |
| JodiMuse |
-giggle- |
| CC |
lol, still counting |
| sdb |
cc, the truth is just write great songs. that sounds cliche, but it's the truth |
| CC |
oh good. the couch thing is over, now it's about money |
| greygossamer |
ahhh cmon sdb |
| greygossamer |
lol cc |
| CC |
but do you ever get signed without a cut--or just one cut? |
| sdb |
cc, there is no one answer to your question. It works different ways. Each writer that has been signed will tell you a different story |
| sdb |
done |
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| BJH |
? |
| JodiMuse |
Ok Babe. Go ahead. |
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| Finn |
Got to go, nice to meet everybody,...see you next Monday! |
| Babe |
Can you trust these ads in the internet for songwriters? |
| JodiMuse |
Bye Finn! |
| JodiMuse |
Save some of those red smarties for me, ok? ;-) |
| Finn |
Only the red ones! |
| JeffM |
bye finn |
| sdb |
babe, I don't know what ads you're referring to. |
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| JodiMuse |
I think she means the market information stuff that a lot of the newsletters and such send out these days... |
| sdb |
babe, what kind of ads |
| sdb |
next ? |
| Paddi |
There is one called "Paramount the nashville songwriting connection" that I was curious about too |
| Babe |
I've looked up song publishers on the internet and have found llots of ads for songwriters. I've written to a couple asking for permission to send a demo, and have not heard back. |
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| JodiMuse |
Babe, if they haven't written back, then it's their loss - or they may simply have already been inundated. As with anything, it's best to be cautious. |
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| sdb |
babe, then you probably have your answer in your answer |
| Quelyn |
how long is a typical hold? |
| Babe |
okay, thank you |
| IreneJ |
Anyone and their uncle could call themselves a "publisher" too. |
| JodiMuse |
Quelyn, we'll get to you in a sec, ok? |
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| Quelyn |
oop it was supposed to be private |
| sdb |
babe, i don't think it's a matter of trust. I don't know of many publishers who advertise on the net lookin for songs |
| Babe |
? |
| JodiMuse |
Very true, Irene. The Internet makes that even easier. |
| sdb |
done |
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| JodiMuse |
Ok AK - your turn. |
| AK |
How do we make the most of our P.R.O. affiliation? |
| sdb |
ak, good question |
| Beth |
? |
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| sdb |
ak, this is a people business. get to know your pro rep. they can help refer you to publishers that may be listening |
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done |
| Babe |
Can you give us some suggestions of reputable small publishers that we can write to for permission to send demos? |
| AK |
that they do, thank you |
| sdb |
babe, i don't keep up with what other publishers are doing, sorry |
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| JodiMuse |
itsme - go ahead. |
| CC |
? |
| IreneJ |
itsme checked out already Jodi |
| greygossamer |
u sure u ain't usin' my songs?? :) |
| JodiMuse |
-sigh-. That's been happening to me all night. Ah well. Ok. On to Quelyn. :-) |
| CC |
bye grey! |
| greygossamer |
oops! |
| Quelyn |
How long is the typical hold? |
| sdb |
quelyn, there is no typical hold. I currently have songs on hold that have been so for a week, a month, two months |
| Quelyn |
I see...can it go 6 months- a year? |
| sdb |
quelyn, it depends on your relationship with the person asking for a hold. I wouldn't give a hold for a real long period of imte |
| Quelyn |
cool typo! |
| CC |
it's publisher lingo |
| sdb |
quelyn, six months or a year is too long. unless it's garth, the beatles or elvis |
| Quelyn |
thanks |
| sdb |
done |
| JodiMuse |
I think you'd be waiting a REALLY long time if it was elvis... ;-) |
| IreneJ |
ROFL |
| JodiMuse |
BJH, go ahead. |
| IreneJ |
An eternity :-) |
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| JodiMuse |
Ok. IS IT SOMETHING I SAID?? lol |
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| JodiMuse |
There you are. :-) Want to try that again, BJH? You're up. |
| BJH |
I am so new, what do I do with the songs I have written? |
| CC |
grey, you're not on my list of people to click!!! |
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| CC |
grey, I think it's my computer. . . bye!! |
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| sdb |
bjh, first do you have a demo? If so, then you will need to contact a publisher to see if they will listen. |
| BJH |
I have a demo of one song... should I make a bunch? |
| CC |
of money, yes. |
| JodiMuse |
:-) |
| sdb |
bjh, if the publisher gives permission, then send and hope they can use it. If they can't, then repeat the process until you find someone who feels they can use it or you quit |
| BJH |
How do I match a publisher with my style(s) |
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| sdb |
bjh, if you have one song, that's a start. However, most people are going to ask "what else do you have" |
| BJH |
that would be nice! |
| JodiMuse |
Ok guys - we have about 5 minutes left here. Babe, you're up - then Beth - and then I'm afraid we're going to have to call it a night. Ok with people? |
| AK |
do we have a choice? :) |
| BJH |
Thanks! |
| Beth |
Sherrill, do you have a website? And BJH, there is a book called the Songwriters Market, that's a very good book for that. |
| sdb |
bjh, in the beginning it will be a matter of just finding someone willing to listen. If you feel you have song that fits a particular artist, then research to see what publishers have placed songs with that artist before and direct your efforts that way |
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| JodiMuse |
AK - not if you want to be invited back. -grin- |
| AK |
lol |
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| Babe |
I don't have another question, but thank you for all the advice you've given to me and others Sherrill |
| CC |
akinvited? |
| CC |
ido, i do |
| AK |
weren't you? |
| sdb |
beth, nope don't have a website. I don't believe in the internet. It'll never last. just a fad!!!!!!! |
| AK |
LOL!! |
| JodiMuse |
Now THAT'S sarcasm. ;-) |
| JeffM |
uh oh |
| JodiMuse |
What Jeff? |
| gemini |
With your track record, you don't need a web site. |
| Beth |
O.K. thanks SB, really enjoyed hearing your answers to things... |
| sdb |
gemini, I will probably have a site one day. Right now, it's not a priority. |
| Kerry |
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| sdb |
don't tell me there are not any more questions |
| AK |
what do you look for in a staff writer? |
| JodiMuse |
You know what? CC ? Why don't you go ahead. I didn't think there would be time, but it appears there's time for one last one. :-) |
| CC |
Once you sign a song, what can the writer do toward helping get it cut . . . do you set up other meetings for them to play |
| AK |
I'm a broken record |
| gemini |
By the way, sdb, I have quite a few songs that you sent me for an artist. You have great songs. |
| sdb |
ak, I don't have any staff writers. I have only dealt with writers on a single song basis |
| CC |
it for a & r people or do they just need to stay out of the way? Songs i mean. |
| Beth |
Was just wondering if you had one that told about your publishing company |
| sdb |
cc, unless the writer has a direct connection with an artist that I don't have, I prefer that they stay out of the way |
| CC |
Got it. Thanks. |
| AK |
Thank you Sherrill |
| JodiMuse |
Alright folks. That's it for tonight. Thank you very much for coming by, Sherrill. We really appreciate the time you've taken to be here and answer our questions. |
| CC |
Thanks Sherrill. |
| sdb |
thanks everybody, good luck |
| BJH |
thanks! |
| gemini |
Sherrill, thank you for your time with us tonight. |
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| Paddi |
Thanks Sherrill and Jodi |
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| Lisa |
Great Chat - thanks S. |
| Babe |
Thank you Sherrill, hope to meet you someday |
| JeffM |
thanks sherrill |
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