What a wonderful time. :-) JoAnn was a fabulous guest, answering a lot of tough questions with humour and patience. Thanks to all that attended and helped to make the chat such a rewarding one! -- Log on joann.log started at Wed Sep 08 17:54:57 PDT 1999 JodiMuse Welcome, JoAnn. :-) ...........................Poet joined............. :) JodiMuse Hi Poet. Welcome. Poet Hey all! JoAnn Hi Jodi! Wow, this is soooo cool. JodiMuse (laugh) I thought you were on here typing with John the last time. You've been here before, right? IreneJ Hi Poet JoAnn You bet and loved every minute. Poet Hey Irene How you? JoAnn John is here too, by the way. JodiMuse :-) Glad to hear it! I'm sure it'll be a great time tonight too. Already a good bunch of chatters. IreneJ I'm just peachy..trying out a voice chat with someone else at the same time...I'm very confused, lol ...........................neonralph joined............. :) JoAnn Hi neon! ...........................JeffM joined............. :) JodiMuse (waves to John too) Hi there! Hi Ralph! neonralph Hey Folks!! JodiMuse And our moderator has arrived. Hi Jeff! Poet Hey Ralph ...........................danNsara joined............. :) JeffM Type I'm HERE again JodiMuse (grin) Hi Dan & Sara! danNsara Hi everyone JeffM Hi everybody ...........................gemini joined............. :) Lance hello all JodiMuse Welcome, gemini. Pull up a seat and join us. :-) JodiMuse Lance, Dan & Sara are in Nashville too. ...........................Alicia joined............. :) IreneJ Hi Alicia :-) JodiMuse Hi there, Alicia. Alicia Hi! Lance ;-) gemini Type HEREHi Alicia Is Joanne here yet? JodiMuse Yup. You can say hi to her right now. :-) JoAnn I'm here! Lance Hello! JodiMuse Jeff, feel free to start things off whenever you feel it appropriate. JoAnn Hi Alicia and Lance and all Alicia Can't wait to meet you this weekend! Poet Hey JoAnn ...........................Joy joined............. :) JoAnn Me too! JodiMuse Hi Joy. Welcome. JoAnn Hi Poet... JeffM Okay, let's start in 1 minute Joy Hello JodiMuse Sure. Alicia Hi Joy Poet Hey Joy welcome Joy Wow..crowded house Poet More coming too neonralph :-) JodiMuse It might get more crowded. ;-) We'll have to see. Poet I'm here to listen and learn BG Joy :) Alicia Joy, r u in Nashville? Joy Cincinnati..You? Alicia N CA danNsara Looks like we have quite a geographical representation JeffM Ready? Joy yep JeffM Okay, everybody, we are pleased to have JoAnn Braheny hear with us tonight. JeffM We are having a moderated discussion, which means to ask a question raise your hand and wait to be called upon. JeffM To raise your hand type a question mark... like this: JeffM ? Alicia ? JeffM Yes, like that :-) JodiMuse (laugh) Good start! JeffM JoAnn, can you give a little intro about your background for us? JoAnn Sure, Jeff. I was in the music biz in Atlanta some years ago, started bybeing a DJ on the radio! JeffM What kind of station? JoAnn Then got into music publishing and worked happily with songwriters JoAnn FM "underground" rock and roll JoAnn Then, some time later, worked forDisney Imagineering here in LA JoAnn and was faced with working with visual artists instead of musical ones.... so JoAnn had to quickly transpose those skills and found so many similarities that I JoAnn started to feel right at home with artists and creative people in every discipline. JoAnn I learned a lot about the creative process and had to then translate it to the "money" people JoAnn on the administrative side of the house. Not an easy deal, but it was a great school for me. JoAnn I have tremendous admiration for all of you who work with your imagination JoAnn regardless of the level of experience (I've worked a lot with super stars too) ... JoAnn You are truly leaders in our culture... how's that?? IreneJ I'll take it :-) JeffM Great! danNsara I feel important all of a sudden JeffM I like the leaders part Joy .me too IreneJ lol ............................gemini left ............. :( ...........................Kenna joined............. :) JodiMuse I feel like I should be singing "I Feel Pretty"... JoAnn I find however that artists share some similar problems and I thought JoAnn we might address some of those tonight... if you're willing!! ...........................gemini joined............. :) ............................Lance left ............. :( Joy absolutely JeffM Sure, let's go to the phones... JodiMuse Oooo... self-criticism. We *have* to be good at that. ;-) ...........................Liz123 joined............. :) Alicia What sort of career guidance do you offer writers? Pub contacts, cowriting arrangements..., or more specific to their craft? ............................Kenna left ............. :( Liz123 hello ............................neonralph left ............. :( JoAnn John handles more of the direct contact stuff... I handle the psychological stuff, ok? Alicia Ok ...........................neonralph joined............. :) Poet ? JeffM go ahead poet JoAnn Self criticism is a biggie. Poet I was interested in the psychological stuff??? LOL JoAnn There are several ways to handle that. ...........................Lance joined............. :) Joy ? JoAnn A simple quickie is to make the Inner Critic voice in your head go away & take a vacation while JoAnn you're in the process of creativing ... do you do that? Poet Indeed JoAnn creating Lance ? JoAnn But next, you have to bring it back and listen to its advice ... not easy to hear. Liz123 How do you start getting a songwriter out into the open. JodiMuse ? Poet I call it going to Andromeda and then getting to work JeffM JoAnn, you can just type "done" when you've wound up a long answer so I'll know JoAnn Ok Jeff. Getting a songwriter intothe open? JoAnn done ...........................Kenna joined............. :) JeffM Go joy, (then lance, then jodi) Liz123 Liz is next. Joy How does you work with songwriters who can't really write, as in sheet music, but can hear and play the music? JoAnn I'll try to keep it brief. I want to hear from you all. done. JoAnn Sheet music is nota requirement these days. Kenna ? JoAnn Most songwriters work straight to tape or CD. JoAnn done Joy THanks JeffM Okay, go ahead lance then... JoAnn Welcome. Lance I seem to critique other poeple's work and make improvements better than my own stuff, tell me I will grow out of this! Is this Normal? ...........................vance joined............. :) JoAnn Funny. Everyone has difficulty getting perspective on his/her own work. In fact, find JoAnn a good friend who will behonest with you, and who knows what they're talking about. done Alicia ? JeffM Go ahead Jodi JoAnn Hope you don't grow out of anything. We call that a healthy Inner Child. :) JoAnn done ............................IreneJ left ............. :( Liz123 I can write lyrics with the beats in my head ,but I don't play an instument. Is that a problem? JoAnn No problem. Find a good collaborator who Does play ... done JeffM ...Jodi? ............................gemini left ............. :( JoAnn Harder to find a good lyricist than a composer ... so you've got an advantage. done ...........................gemini joined............. :) Liz123 How do I get started .I'm completly new to this game. JodiMuse Sorry folks- an instant. I'm typing. :) gemini ? JodiMuse JoAnn, thanks so much for coming here, first of all. Secondly, what do you find is the biggest problem songwriters have to overcome in order to reac the part of them that can create the songs? JoAnn Liz, first of all, there are some superb books on the subject, secondly join a local songwriters group. JodiMuse Sorry - that's REACH. (laugh) JoAnn done JoAnn Jodi, thank you so much (and Jeff) for inviting me to do this. Joy . JoAnn Biggest problem? JoAnn Is the fear of failure ... following that is the fear of success! JoAnn done JodiMuse Really? What do you mean by the fear of success? JoAnn It seems that many people have the talent,all the stuff it takes to achieve great success however JoAnn something in their psychological make-up keeps gets in their way. ............................Poet left ............. :( JoAnn It's often easier to find excuses for not being successful ...........................pjschindel joined............. :) JoAnn than to just go for it. How many of us have said we just need to buy the right musical equipment? JoAnn done Liz123 ? JeffM Well, we DO! JeffM :-) JodiMuse Ah... I see. Thanks, JoAnn. :-) JeffM Okay, Kenna go Kenna do you think that self producing is a good idea? the reason i ask is I am 40 and dont look like Shania Twain . people dont take me seriously because of my looks JeffM then Alicia, then gemini, then joy, then liz JoAnn And once success is achieved, some people don't believe they deserve to be successful. done JoAnn Kenna ... looks ain't everything -- did you ever hear of Bob Dylan? ............................Lance left ............. :( ............................vance left ............. :( pjschindel Type HERE Kenna well yeah of course ...........................Vance joined............. :) JoAnn Kenna...talent and drive and knowing what you want will beat out looks any day. Keep going! Kenna i think maybe Lyle Lovett is a better example if you put it that way, but men have it easier than women in that respect Liz123 I agree JodiMuse I have to agree as well... JeffM me too Joy me too Kenna wow a consensus!!! neonralph yes... Kenna oops spelling JoAnn In some ways, true. But please don't let that get in the way. ............................Alicia left ............. :( JeffM Go ahead gemini Kenna i will just do my own cd and dont put a picture of muyself on it..hehe gemini Our town is celebrating 100 years. They had a contest for a song. I wrote the winning song . The melody is the same for the verses as the chorus. This has not seemed to matter to the "people" . Are there other examples of this that you know of.. JoAnn Hey, it's been done. Good luck. done Vance ? ...........................Alicia joined............. :) JeffM alicia's up JoAnn Gemini ... yes. "Born in the USA" and "Achey Breaky Heart" says John. Alicia What did you discover from working with entertainment lawyers that might be of interest to us? gemini ? JoAnn But those are definitely the exception. Too boring. done JoAnn Alicia ... I learned that Madonna had one contract that was 80 pages long. I also learned that you ............................Liz123 left ............. :( JoAnn better read every word of a contract. And that sometimes JeffM I don't like those songs either... had a college roommate who played Born In The USA full-blast all the time... JoAnn the problem is with what's been left out. !! done Alicia THANK YOU danNsara Hey, the BOSS is from my home state :-) ...........................IreneJ joined............. :) JoAnn Poor Jeff. They use this torture in China , don't they? ...........................Liz123 joined............. :) JeffM Ancient Chinese Springsteen torture JoAnn The Boss rules. JoAnn done JeffM yeah, dude JeffM Okay, Joy, did you have a question? Joy Where do you start to get your songs out? I mean, my music has been performed in church, but nobody I know has any clot with anyone in the business JeffM Then Liz, then vance, then gemini JoAnn Clotting can be a problem. ;) Joy :-) Joy Clout Joy Better? JoAnn How to get songs out to the public is a full seminar. Not enought time here. JodiMuse lol Joy Sorry JoAnn Yes, my typong is iffy too. JeffM No fortune cookie distillation of the seminar? JodiMuse There's an article by John at http://www.musesmuse.com/articles.html - about how to get a demo out there... JoAnn I could do a blatant commercial, Joy, and say buy John Braheny's excellent book: Joy Nothing wrong with that.. JoAnn The Craft and Business of Songwriting ... I hope that helps. Kenna ? Joy thank you Alicia Get a copy of Songwriters Market and look up Christian music publishers IreneJ It's an excellent book...the only one I've ever bought JeffM Liz, you're on Liz123 What books do you reccommend for a good read? IreneJ lol JeffM lol Vance . Kenna deja vu JoAnn Yes, Songwriters Market is great, but watch that some material gets outdated ...it's an annual. ............................pjschindel left ............. :( Alicia true JoAnn For a good read on creativity, try The Artist's Way... JoAnn Email me for a long list of books I like ... ok? Joy IreneJ I really would like to get together on it..thanks for the tip on Songwriter's Market JeffM or we can post it after the chat :-) Liz123 Alright thanks Liz123 That's cool too Joy Oops..sorry..I'm still new to chat ...........................pjschindel joined............. :) ............................neonralph left ............. :( JeffM Vance is next JoAnn Jeff, ok..done ...........................neonralph joined............. :) ............................Vance left ............. :( ...........................Vance joined............. :) Alicia Have to go, thanks Joann. SO looking forward to NCSA! JeffM wb Vance, go ahead with your question JoAnn Thanks Alicia, introduce yourself to me there, ok? done ............................gemini left ............. :( JeffM Me too (if I'm there) ...........................gemini joined............. :) Vance pass to the next one, I need a minute ............................Alicia left ............. :( JeffM go ahead gemini gemini Sorry I keep getting disconnecetd. I guess, even tho those two songs mentioned might be boring, I guess the bottom line is that it has been done and that was what I was wondering about. Thanks JoAnn Jeff... You sent me The Zen in Writing by Ray Bradbury ... another good book. Thanks again. JeffM you're welcome Vance and "Edmond Fitgerald" too Gemini gemini ? JeffM go ahead gemini JoAnn Gemini, Springsteen can get away with anything and Achey Breaky took a major marketing effort.done JeffM then Vance, then Kenna gemini You mean the long, long song by Canadian....The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald IreneJ Gordon Lightfoot gemini Is that song also the same all the way through? Vance yep, know all the words JoAnn That's more of a folk style ...which is a storytelling mechanism and holds our attention without a hook. JoAnn The story is what keeps us involved. JeffM As opposed to born in the USA which is one continuous hook :-) JoAnn done JoAnn You got that right. JeffM ready yet, Vance? Joy :) Liz123 ? Vance I'll just listen, thanks JeffM go Kenna Kenna I am finding that most of my material tends to be either love songs or what my teenage daughter classifies as "complaint rock". How do you get yourself motivated to a different type sound in writing? IreneJ lol Kenna like i would love to write some reggae or something fun neonralph lol! JoAnn Kenna, pick a different style of music and immerse yourself in that ... pick subject matter that is JoAnn outside your normal area of interest. done Joy ? Kenna any suggestions? JeffM get a really loud amp so nobody can hear the lyrics JeffM oops, sorry Kenna haaaaaaaaaaaa ............................neonralph left ............. :( IreneJ ? ...........................neonralph joined............. :) JeffM I'd suggest going in a direction you have some interest in going (but aren't doing now) JoAnn Watch a good drama on TV, pick out 3 titles suggested by dialogue or story line in the show... done JoAnn Right... JeffM good drama on TV? oh, never mind JoAnn done] JeffM Go ahead Liz neonralph I like that one! Liz123 Where do I find people who are interested in my songs? Any tips? Joy hehe Kenna ? JoAnn Jeff, don't be such a cynic... JeffM I don't watch TV so I wouldn't know JoAnn Liz - Do you play in alocal club? Liz123 No I'm a beginner. ............................pjschindel left ............. :( JoAnn Too early then to start finding people interested in your songs.Write 20 or 30 songs first and JoAnn get someone you respect to critique them. JoAnn done JeffM Or play at an old folks home. They'd love the attention Liz123 I've done so ,and they likedb the style JoAnn Haaaaaa. Joy whatever works... JeffM I've done so also JeffM Go ahead Joy Liz123 I mean other than folks JoAnn Actually, it's not such a bad idea. There are probably Led Zepplin fans in old folks homes by now. done Joy Is there any problem that can come up with your music being stylistically diverse? JeffM and Bob Dillian fans! JoAnn Joy, only when you're trying to get a record deal as an artist... ............................gemini left ............. :( JoAnn but as a writer, it's an asset. done Joy well, I am also performing my own music ...........................gemini joined............. :) JeffM Irene's up... IreneJ I'm coming hang on!! IreneJ I attended a workshop that John gave a few years back in Vancouver... IreneJ IT was great! Especially when John recommended listening to "THis Shirt" by Mary Chapin Carpenter...do you ever recommend listening to certain songwriters? ............................Vance left ............. :( JoAnn Glad to hear you enjoyed that. We love Vancouver. Other favorite writers are the afore-mentioned Lyle IreneJ I'm sorry did someone already ask that question? I got the boot and missed some of this JoAnn Lovett, John Hiatt, Jules Shear, Billy Steinberg (lyricist) and scores more ... JoAnn done JeffM No, we were talking about physical beauty then, Irene neonralph Jules Shear! *sigh* IreneJ Har, har :-) JeffM Go ahead Kenna Kenna now i gotta think of another one Irene Kenna hehe IreneJ lol JoAnn Love the humor... JeffM Yes, we're humorous cultural leaders! Kenna I love Hiatt, hes cool. Like any female songwriters? JoAnn Thank goodness... Beth Neilson Chapman, uh, gimme a minute JoAnn Paula Cole JoAnn Shania Twain JeffM (the afore mentioned) IreneJ Gees, another afore I missed JoAnn oh, yes Kenna she shamed all of country music with that midriff JoAnn Joni Mitchell neonralph ...and sold a lot of records as well. IreneJ Joni Mitchell, sigh ...........................Vance joined............. :) JoAnn Now we can talk about physical beauty again , aforementioned midriff. done Kenna lol JeffM anybody want to be next? neonralph ? JeffM go ralpha neonralph How about a quick fix for a bad writer's block...any suggestions? ............................Liz123 left ............. :( ...........................Liz123 joined............. :) JoAnn A long list, Ralph. But first it's about doing things you don't normally do. Like, JeffM ...drum roll... JoAnn walking if you're used to riding, being in a crowd if you're a loner, just shaking up your pattern. Like ............................gemini left ............. :( JoAnn learning new chords on a guitar or singing in another style, etc., et Drum roll indeed! done ...........................gemini joined............. :) neonralph Thanks :-) JoAnn Welcome ... Joy Sorry folks..I need to go. Thank you JoAnn! JeffM Bye joy JoAnn You're welcome, best of luck. Joy Bye all! Liz123 I'll be leaving also Thanks Vance Bye Joy, Go Reds JodiMuse Bye guys! IreneJ lol ............................Liz123 left ............. :( ............................Joy left ............. :( JeffM So, got that, Ralph? JeffM If you're married, try being divorced, that kind of stuff neonralph Got it! IreneJ lol neonralph ;-) JodiMuse lol Oh come ON, Jeff. ;-) Kenna damn Jeff, you are something else neonralph ? JoAnn LOL!!! JeffM go ahead ralph IreneJ I heard of a guy who used the excuse of having affairs so he could write better songs, lol danNsara ? JoAnn We call that "doing research. JoAnn done neonralph In working with creative people, do you find that creative output is a finite thing? For example... IreneJ Or just a lousy excuse, lol neonralph I put a lot of time in lately on visual creativity...can that detract from my musical creativity in any way? JoAnn First it probably enhances it. Speaking of Joni Mitchell, she paints (oils) as well as writes and uses JoAnn them to go back and forth. Gets music ideas when she paints and vice-versa. Also (drumroll) IreneJ lol JoAnn remember the Creativity River keeps flowing and it's up to you to choose when and how deep you JoAnn want to swim. Confucious says ... done neonralph Again, thanks! JeffM Hmm... must be the Yangtze, danNsara, go ahead Vance ? danNsara This year several of our friends that we moved to town with five or six years ago gave up and left town. Why do some people quit while others hand in there persistently for 10-15 years and ultimately succeed? Is there a psychological reason? danNsara that's hang not hand JodiMuse Ooo. That's a good one. I'd love to know that myself. JoAnn Basically, you have to believe in yourself and want It more than anything else. Otherwise it's just JoAnn about passion. Some people hang in there because they love doing what they do. done danNsara yep. thanks. JeffM Vance, go! Vance If you have lyrics copywrited, can anyone who wants add their music too it and call themselves a cowriter? JoAnn Not without your permission, Vance. done. Vance echange your original melody for example JoAnn Ditto. Vance aha, thanks JoAnn I sense there's a deeper drama here, Vance. JeffM not on TV though JodiMuse<--pokes Jeff. ;-) JoAnn Aforementioned TV. Vance Nope, just learning JeffM ....ouch.... JoAnn Glad to hear it. Learn on. danNsara Do I have to separate the two of you again? JodiMuse<--whistles innocently... JeffM Yes, it's stuffy under this blanket danNsara sigh JodiMuse (giggle) JeffM Hey JoAnn, what artists have you worked with? neonralph<--turns on the lights... JodiMuse<--pokes Ralph then. ............................gemini left ............. :( JeffM<--puts on his shades JoAnn This will open a big can-o-worms, but lemme see ... neonralph ow! ...........................gemini joined............. :) JoAnn BB King, Rod Stewart, Dudley Moore, Barry Manilow, Bee Gees, Paul McCartney, Al Jarreau, ............................Kenna left ............. :( JodiMuse Dudley Moore? Really? JoAnn Iron Maiden, Ozzie Osborne, is this enough? JeffM Anecdotes...we need an anecdote :-) danNsara quite the diversity JoAnn Dudley Moore is a total gentleman to work with., Jodi. JodiMuse What was Dudley Moore like? I'm intensely curious. :-) He's SO talented! neonralph Wow...Ozzy! JodiMuse (laugh) I thought of Dudley Moore before Paul McCartney. Ouch. ;-) JoAnn Anedote? Omygooodness... I nearly got squshed backstage in a crush of groupies for David Bowie. JeffM Dudley's a better piano player, Jodi JoAnn Also, different stage, same sqush, with Olivia Newton-John. I'm not big enough for that job! done JeffM wow! ............................gemini left ............. :( ...........................gemini joined............. :) JeffM tell us what you'd do for them! ............................IreneJ left ............. :( JoAnn If I tell you more, I'll have to kill you. ...........................aceford joined............. :) JeffM That's okay, death is unavoidable JodiMuse lol ...........................RollingFrog joined............. :) JoAnn I worked for Rogers & Cowan, then the biggest PR firm for celebrities, internationally. You know, Vance Do any of you live around Nashville? JoAnn Schwarenegger, Redford, Paul Newman and my fave Jim Henson. done aceford ? ...........................Kenna joined............. :) JeffM go ahead aceford aceford was your work at Arista Nashville? JoAnn I lived in Atlanta, did some music publishing work in N'ville, but never lived there. done aceford It was in your bio. : ) Sorry. JoAnn I worked for Arista here in LA. That's true, but a while ago. done aceford What capacity? done JoAnn Record promotion. done JeffM next question? done JoAnn Lotta respect for Clive Davis, by the way. done. Kenna ? neonralph ? cone. neonralph oops... JeffM try again ralph JeffM go ahead Kenna Kenna are you doing any seminars in the southern US this year? JoAnn None scheduled yet. We're in the Northeast all of october (Boston, New Haven, D.C., NYC). Will gemini ? JoAnn certainly let ya'll know thru Jodi and Jeff when/if we schedule more. Where are you? Kenna Memphis Kenna cool town, come on down JoAnn Want to organize a seminar for us? Email us at NuTunes@aol.com. Thanks. done JeffM neon? neonralph Off topic a bit...what does it cost to retain a PR firm? JeffM Wow ralph, you ARE thinking big! JoAnn For those celebs, a few years ago, it was around $6,000 per month, plus expenses (photos, aceford your first born child. : ) JoAnn limos, phonecalls, mailings, etc.) You can get it a lot lot cheaper... and good too. done JeffM gem? gemini I live on Canada's East Coast. Any plans to come this way JoAnn Got a room for us? gemini Yes, of course . lol ............................RollingFrog left ............. :( JodiMuse Hey there, Gemini! Nice to see another Canuck. ;-) JoAnn Ok, what time should we be there? gemini Hi to you too gemini We have some songwriting organizations here. It would be nice to have you at a seminar sometime. JoAnn I speak French. Does that help? gemini Sorry, not right where I live. JoAnn We'd love to visit your part of the world ... let's discuss ... maybe in 2000? gemini I think the organizations should bring in someone such as yourself. gemini I'll make the suggestion. JoAnn We totally agree. This is the fun part of what we do. We'll explore further. Thanks. done ...........................RollingFrog joined............. :) JeffM Une autra personne? (or something like that) danNsara very impressive Jeff gemini lol. done. JoAnn Wow, Jeff, you are a cultural leader... JeffM merci JodiMuse Wow. THAT'S a scary thought... ;-) Kenna mercy is more like it...hehe neonralph My refrigerator is also a cultural leader (at least locally)... JoAnn Folks, we may have to take off ... we're packing our house to move (heavy) and need to JoAnn get back to the grind. (We're only going 4 miles down the road, but it's still a move.) Any more JeffM Well, thank you very much for being here! Kenna those are the worst. Great meeting you. danNsara Thanks so much for your time Joann JoAnn I can help you with? I've really enjoyed this ... you're a lotta fun ... ... creative too!!! gemini Thank you for a great chat! neonralph Thanks again, JoAnn...hang in there with the move! JodiMuse This has been a great chat, JoAnn. Thanks so much for coming by. RollingFrog si, fue muy divertido! danNsara Yes, good luck with your move JodiMuse Definitely! aceford I'd rather string barbed wire than move. You have my sympathies. JodiMuse lol gemini lol, aceford Kenna i'm gone too. done. night everybody danNsara bye Kenna JodiMuse Bye Kenna! JeffM Bye Kenna gemini Nite Kenna neonralph Bye Kenna! RollingFrog Adeiu! JoAnn Wish we could do more ... Thanks to my two hosts ... merci beaucoup ... Thanks to you all. Bye now! ............................Kenna left ............. :( JeffM Au reviors JoAnn ............................Vance left ............. :( JodiMuse Oh Jeff. You cultural leader you. ;-) danNsara Thanks for moderating Jeff danNsara A stellar job as usual JoAnn Bonne nuit, Jeff & Jodi. JeffM A bien tot neonralph Yes, Jeff... RollingFrog Jeff' I'll sweep the room if you'll fold the chairs... JeffM I'll roll up the blanket JodiMuse Awww... JeffM with Jodi inside it JoAnn Aforementioned blanket. JoAnn done. JodiMuse Ooooof! JeffM Aforementioned Jodi neonralph :-) RollingFrog Thanks, Joanne gemini I'll empty the coffee pot RollingFrog minus the e -- Log stopped at Wed Sep 08 19:42:34 PDT 1999 |
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